EPISODE 11   |   JANUARY 3, 2019
Do illegal immigrants commit less crime than American citizens? We follow the stories of an immigrant and a veteran to find the answer.
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EPISODE 11   |   JANUARY 3, 2019
Do illegal immigrants commit less crime than American citizens? We follow the stories of an immigrant and a veteran to find the answer.
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Our mainstream media has made something abundantly clear - immigrants outperform American citizens in just about every way possible, except for perhaps in one area…committing crime.
MSNBC Reporter: Immigrant teens are less likely to do drugs, commit crime, and engage in violence.
again and again we see immigrants are substantially less likely in violence, crime…
Marc Rosenblum: Immigrants are disproportionately unlikely to be in prison…Cities with lots of immigrants don’t have lots of crime.
Jorge Ramos: Immigrants are less likely to be criminals than U.S. citizens.
Cenk Ugyur: In the cities where you have the most undocumented immigrants, you have the least amount of crime.
Patrick Courrielche: But is this true, do illegal immigrants commit less crime than American citizens?
I’m Patrick Courrielche and this is Red Pilled America…a storytelling show. This is not another talk show covering the day’s news. We are all about telling stories. Stories Hollywood doesn’t want you to hear. Stories the media mocks. Stories from everyday Americans that the elites ignore. You can think of Red Pilled America as audio documentaries and we promise only one thing…the truth.
Welcome to Red Pilled America.
Patrick Courrielche: We often hear from our cultural overlords that immigrants (both legal and illegal) commit less crime than U.S. citizens. But is it true? We follow the story of two Americans to find the answer and what we learn in the process may completely change your view on law & order.
Patrick Courrielche: Sabine Durden wasn’t born in the United States.
Sabine Durden: I was born in Nuremberg Germany. 1957.
Patrick Courrielche: She had great parents and a ten-year older sister, and by her own account a pretty good life.
Sabine Durden: Few hiccups here and there. But pretty easy.
Patrick Courrielche: In 1978 she met a young soldier serving in the U.S. Army stationed in Germany. A year later they were married and by 1982 they had a son.
Sabine Durden: I gave birth to my best friend to the love of my life. Dominic he was born January 22nd 1982 in Nuremberg, the same hospital I was born in.
Patrick Courrielche: The young family remained in Germany and Dominic would eventually go to elementary school – over the course of a week spending three days in German kindergarten and two day in American kindergarten.
Sabine Durden: I wanted him to be bilingual because I knew eventually we would have to move to the states to the states to get stationed there.
Patrick Courrielche: From a young age, Sabine says people were drawn to Dominic.
Sabine Durden: Everybody loved him, the German chocolate baby - he was half black half German. He up from this start already showed everybody he cared for others. He would sit with the snotty nosed kid that nobody wanted to sit next to at lunch. He would play with
the kids that were left alone on the playground. And so I noticed him already establishing this social behavior of truly caring for others.
Patrick Courrielche: When Dominic was ten, his father got orders from the military. He was going to be stationed in California.
Sabine Durden: Of course we were a little sad to leave my mom and dad who were a large part of my son's life to leave them behind. But excited to go to California because at that time I was a little naive I thought, okay we're probably close to Beverly Hills and Universal Studios, Disneyland, and to the beach.
Patrick Courrielche: So when the family arrived in California,
Sabine’s husband showed them around.
Sabine Durden: We did the Disneyland, Universal Studios, Beverly Hills and the Hollywood stars and just something you
you hear about you just get star struck when you see.
Patrick Courrielche: After a few days of spoiling them, Sabine’s husband said it was time to go to where he was stationed.
Sabine Durden: So we're driving and it was getting dark and we're driving a little bit more and and we're driving over El Cajon Pass. And it was getting darker and I could barely see any light. So now the tears started running but I didn't want to alarm my son, so I just kept myself together. And then we arrive in Victorville and I thought that was it. And no it wasn't. We drove another hour and I arrived in
Barstow and stayed at a hotel and the next morning when I woke up I was in the
shock of my life.
Patrick Courrielche: They were in the desert. Just about as far away from the glitz and glamour of Hollywood as you can get. They spent a few month in Barstow then moved to Fort Irwin, another half an hour drive into the
desert. Sabine was a bit shell-shocked at first, but quickly learned a lesson.
Sabine Durden: And I got to really say that I learned to make home where I’m at. I can't just cry for Germany you know. I missed this and I missed that. I got to make where I'm at the best
place to be. And Fort Irwin became that.
Patrick Courrielche: Dominic went there with other kids that spoke
German, but by then he spoke fluent English. They lived there for a few years. After some work, Sabine became a legal U.S. citizen in 1993, and then Sabine’s husband left the service and the family moved to Moreno Valley, right next to Riverside, California.
Sabine and her husband’s marriage started to fall apart and so in 2004 she filed for divorce.
By then, Dominic was grown. He had high school behind him. And was heavily involved in community service with the fire department, volunteering and emergency relief. That year he received an award.
Announcer: And now it is our great honor to introduce our volunteer of the year. Dominic Durden will you please come up.
Interviewer: So how does it feel to be volunteer of the year?
Dominic Durden: Volunteer of the year. There’s no words that can describe it.
Patrick Courrielche: That’s Domininc.
Dominic Durden: I’m still in awe that I was even nominated, that I was chosen to be volunteer of the year. And again for me it was one of those things not something that I ever expected. Not something I’d ever been working for. Just with all the work I’ve put in, glad to be recognized, happy to be recognized.
Patrick Courrielche: Sabine was a proud mom. After the divorce, her and her son became roommates.
Dominic eventually found work as an editor and producer for a Moreno Valley TV outfit. But he got bored with things easily and was always looking for more. He learned how to fly and became part owner of a Cessna. But it was interest in law enforcement that became his main driver. He began studying to become a motorcycle cop with hopes of one day being a helicopter pilot for the sheriff’s department. Then in 2006, he entered law enforcement by becoming a 9-1-1 dispatcher for the Riverside Sheriff’s
Sabine Durden: He had this way about him he was this gentle giant. He was about 6 foot 3.
He had an incredible gift. He
was funny. He was a prankster. But when he was working as a 9-1-1 dispatcher he could pull a prank or tell a joke and the call came in and he he turned. He flip that switch and he became dead serious and dedicated.
He had I think three ring tones
and so the police officers know it was Dominic that was on the other line and they knew and many told me they knew when they heard those three rings that they were in good hands and they they would get home to their families.
Patrick Courrielche: By 2012, Dominic enjoyed what he was doing. He loved the people he was working
with. And they counted on him as a colleague and a friend. Dominic and his mom were best friends. And they were enjoying everything life had to offer.
But what happened on July 12th would change all that forever.
More after the break.
So by 2012, Dominic was a 9-1-1 dispatcher for the Riverside Sheriff’s Department with his eye on one day becoming a helicopter pilot for the department.
By that time Sabine had also found love again. Anthony, a San Diego post office worker, found his way into her heart and Dominic approved.
Sabine Durden: He would come up on the weekends on his motorcycle and the three of us would ride our motorcycles
together. And so Anthony became a part of our life. And Dominick told me I would walk down the aisle with that man.
So Anthony came to the house on July 11th and we were getting ready to fly to Atlanta for a family reunion his family
Patrick Courrielche: Dominic took them to the airport in Ontario and Sabine can still remember every
detail of this simple little trip to her flight. They stopped at a new restaurant called Miguel’s. Dominic said he wasn’t hungry, but Sabine wasn’t having it.
Sabine Durden: So we get to the counter and I say, well you sure you don't want to split a burger with me. He said, “Sure mom. Okay, so I won't starve to death till you come back I'm gonna have a half a burger with you.” And he rolled his eyes. We sit down. You know clowning about me being that mother and worrying about her child and then he takes us to the airport and he gets out the car grabs our bags out of his truck and I stumbled and I fell into him over the curb and he picked me up and he twirled me around and he kissed me all over my face and told me to have a good time.
I'll see you in a week.
And Anthony was laughing. He
said, man you guys act like you're gonna be gone for a year. And by the way Dominic would got cameras up in the house so
in case you have a wild party. We will watch everything.
So we're all having fun. We're
laughing I'm hugging on him I kissed him and I see him walk to his car to his truck and I wave and I tell him I throw him a kiss and tell him how much I love him. He tells me how much he loves me and that's the last time I saw my child.
Patrick Courrielche: Sabine and Anthony took a red eye flight to Atlanta. They were going to stay with his cousin but by the time the two arrived it was too early and they didn’t want to wake him up. So they decided to go to a Waffle House for breakfast.
Sabine Durden: And as we are walking to the car I dropped all of a sudden I lost all feelings in my legs. It was like somebody unplugged me and Anthony didn't know what it was. He thought I felt sick or jet lag.
And so anyway we got to the
house and it was a huge house and it had a big theater in the top. We were in the guest quarters on the bottom floor like a basement. And I still couldn't keep my eyes open so I said okay I'm gonna lay down. And I laid down and my phone kept buzzing. My phone kept buzzing.
Patrick Courrielche: But for some reason she just couldn’t pick up
Sabine Durden: So I'm laying there and I'm feeling nervous. It was just something was off. And I still couldn't listen to anything and I saw one texts it says please call me as soon as possible right now. This is Elaina, Dominic's best friend.
And so I'm getting more anxious and I'm running through the house trying to find. I've never been in that house I had no idea but I ran through a few rooms up a few stairs and I found Anthony.
I just I I yelled at him I said something happened to Dominic we got a call and I'm calling dispatch and I know all of his friends.
They were at the house a lot. I hung out with him. We were a big family. So I call and I hear this young lady starting to stutter and, oh I'm I'm I'm sorry. And I said just just let me talk to Dominic let me let me speak to him. And she'd say well ma'am can can you hold on a minute. I've got to get to the chief. I'm like why did she just let me speak to Dominic, just let me let me talk to him. And she she signed off and all of a sudden the chief came and those words that you hear on TV in movies. I heard that all of a sudden when he said I'm so sorry Ms. Durden, but Dominic was killed this
Yeah. And Anthony was with me. We had it on speaker and we were in the kitchen of his cousin and the family started to come in to meet his girl because he he he wanted to show me off proudly and so they started coming in and all they find is this horrific scene of Anthony and I screaming in the kitchen on the floor.
Patrick Courrielche: Anthony and Sabine got the first flight back to California – crying the entire way. Part of her still couldn’t believe what was happening. Maybe it was all just a bad joke, she thought.
Sabine Durden: We'd get to California and you get out of the plane and you still in this shock and disbelief and no it can’t be and I'm gonna kill him because he he played the worst prank ever.
And then we walked down the
stairs and I see three of his best friends standing there and then I just lost it. I broke down I passed out. They dragged me to the car and by then I needed to see. I needed to know that it really happened. So I asked him, please take me by this spot where he was killed. And it was only three miles from the house. And they took me there and thank God one of the Dominic's best friends, he's a police officer, he was the first on the scene. He was still in shock. He knew that they had already washed away the blood.
And so we get to this corner
and I see marks on the floor and I just nothing made sense. And then I see a spot and that looked at Chris the police officer in it and he he just nodded his head and that's where my son took his
last breath. So you stand at a spot and you know that your family has been wiped out. You never get to hug kiss your child again. I'll never ride motorcycles again with him or get pranked by him.
Patrick Courrielche: Dominic had been on his way to work when Juan Zacarias Lopez Tzun turned his
truck in front of Dominic. He was on his motorcycle, and hit the car so hard that it killed him instantly. The impact threw Dominic into a wall on the sidewalk.
Sabine Durden: And that's where he ended up on the sidewalk. And thank God there were two Marines. They were driving behind Dominic in their cars. They had to sadly witness this horrific tragedy.
Patrick Courrielche: The guy that hit Dominic tried to run.
Sabine Durden: And one of them stayed with Dominic and the other one ran after the guy and held him there.
Patrick Courrielche: In the coming days Sabine was in shock. She came home to a house full of
people, everyone crying. She was on autopilot.
Sabine Durden: You go through the motion. Your body tells you, okay… breathe, blink. We didn't eat, we didn't drink.
We had to force each other. I
told Anthony if you take a bike, I’ll take a bite. He he forced me to drink water. Your just in such a shock that you can't even think straight.
Patrick Courrielche: Slowly but surely she started to come out of it. She initially thought the death of her son was just an accident. But she’d soon learn different.
Sabine Durden: Every day we would go to the spot where he was killed and the wall was plastered with notes to Dominic with cards with flowers and that the whole floor that the sidewalk was plastered with with candles and people hundreds of people standing around just wanting to be there.
And I remember one cop walked up to me and told me said, “you know I know they telling you was an accident but you need to ask the D.A. to stop lying to you.
I had no clue what was to come.
Adryana Cortez: About the time Sabine was learning the details of her son’s death, Chris Odette, was facing an uncertain future. His wife had received a devastating health diagnosis.
At the time Chris was serving in the National Guard in Afghanistan. His eleven year-old daughter, Chrishia,
had noticed that there was something wrong with her mother.
Chris Odette: She had an idea something was going on and she was actually trying to encourage my wife to go to the doctor and get checked out because she could see something was wrong with mom and when she finally went they told her that she should get her things and get her personal affairs in order and without having told her what the diagnosis was or anything like that. And since she, that's what had her so scared and say sent me an email asking me to call her as soon as possible.
Adryana Cortez: Chris immediately flew home to Coppell, Texas from Afghanistan and learned that his wife, Shiomara, had a rare form of cancer known as Triple Negative. The doctors gave her two years to live.
Chris’ daughter was in Puerto Rico with family for a summer vacation and decided to come home early. To her surprise her father was unexpectedly home with her mom.
Chris Odette: We sat her down to try explaining to her what was going on. Before we could really get anything out of it and get it out of our mouths that what was going on, she she just said mom's got cancer doesn't she. So she was eleven at that point.
Adryana Cortez: Their daughter Chrishia was an incredibly bright young girl.
Chris Odette: We put her into pre-school and daycare when she was younger and when we had her in kindergarten I was in Iraq and she entered a private school and they said that she was so ahead of her class that they wanted permission to have her in first grade for half the
day and in kindergarten for half the day just to keep her challenged.
Adryana Cortez: It wasn’t long before she’d be on the radar of colleges.
Chris Odette: When she was in the fifth grade, she, the state assessment tests that they do each year, we got a letter from the university, Duke University, stating that because of her test results for the year that they wanted to offer her a scholarship, when she graduated high school. Just because her reading interpretations scores were
off the charts. And to me that said a lot.
Adryana Cortez: Chrishia had a knack for language and music. She spoke Spanish, was teaching herself Japanese, and would later enter German class. She also played the piano, violin, and guitar. She was one smart cookie and so even at eleven, she could read the situation that she walked into with her mom and dad when she got home from that summer vacation in Puerto Rico.
Chrishia shared the news of her mom’s progress with her friends, and handled it like a champ.
Chrishia Odette: I just want to share some not so good news with you guys. I have been blessed by having the most beautiful and awesome mom ever. Unfortunately, exactly one year ago we found out she has breast cancer. Throughout this entire year she has had
several surgeries to remove the cancer, but the sucker keeps coming back.
Adryana Cortez: The doctor’s prediction was accurate. Roughly two years later, on their thirteenth wedding anniversary, Shiomara
Odette passed away. Chrishia was only twelve.
Chris Odette: When she passed away I had the difficult task of telling her that her mom had passed away and so we moved at most a year after her mom passed away we moved to Rockwall Texas and I didn't know of course at the time, never heard of the term sanctuary city and didn't know that Rockwall was a sanctuary city.
Adryana Cortez: Because of her early scholastic abilities, Chrishia entered high school at the age of thirteen, a year younger than her peers. A little over a month after entering high school, Chris got a call that all parents get from their teenagers.
Chris Odette: She had gone to school like any other day and had asked me if she could go to a birthday party of one of her classmates. Tell me where it was and I was excited because she was making new friends…and that evening at the birthday party she sent me a text message and asked me if she could go to school go to there and spend the night have a girls night with her friend. And I told her initially no, because I hadn't met the parents. And I thought about something my wife had told me that not to be so protective over her. And just to the let her, let her have fun. And so I changed my mind. I gave in and I told her she had to clean her room if she was going to go over and I needed the parents contact information because I hadn't met them. And she told me well you can meet them when you when you dropped me off.
So I picked her up and brought
She was supposed to clean her
room and the little Turkey didn't clean her room. She kind of picked it up but of course she being a teenager being excited she didn't really clean it all the
way. But I took her to this lady's house and I had forgot my phone inside my truck. And the mom when she answered the door she said she had left her phone inside. So I told her I would have my daughter text me her phone number so that I could coordinate with her picking her up the next morning. That was about 9:00 at night September 12th.
And I stopped to grab something to eat and drove home. It took me 30 minutes to get home and I got a call at nine thirty from my friend who had kids in the school saying that this girl was trying to reach me. This girl's mom was trying to reach me because Chrishia had been in an accident and didn't make any sense to me because she was supposed to be in this lady's house so I couldn’t understand. I thought maybe they went for a drive or something and I called my daughter's phone and my daughter did not answer. It was the girl that she was with that answered the phone and she was frantic and said that the police could not find a pulse on my daughter...
Adryana Cortez: Chris quickly jumped in the car, but in route to the accident, he tried to run a red light to get to his daughter quicker and hit a car. By chance, the person he hit was an off-duty police officer.
Chris Odette: Within minutes the police arrived and I started trying to explain to him what happened. I ran the light. I'm trying to get to my daughter. She was in an accident. I kept asking them to call on the radio to find out the status of my daughter to let me know whether she's okay.
How bad it was.
And they just kept telling me
they need to get my information and they would know that they would go from there and they collected my information and didn't tell me they were going take me to the hospital to where my daughter was at. When I got there they took me in to a room and asked me her name and I told her I told them and they told me
that my daughter was pronounced dead at the hospital.
Adryana Cortez: It took three days for Chris to find out what happened. According to Chris, the mother of Chrishia’s friend allowed the girls to walk to a grocery story a quarter of a mile away to buy soda pop. They crossed at an intersection in front of a hospital without a crosswalk and successfully made it across. But Chrishia dropped her cell phone in the street so she went back out to get it. When she entered the street, all of the cars stopped, but one.
Chris Odette: Supposedly he didn't see her until the last second he hit her and then pulled off the side of the road.
They believed that she didn't
feel anything that she was hit crossing the road and they believe that she died instantly, but her death certificate says that it took minutes for her to die. But my daughter was my baby girl was gone 30 minutes after I dropped her off.
Three days later the policeman
came to my house doing the investigation to talk to me and get a sworn statement from me about what I knew.
And I asked him what happened. And that's when I found out about how the accident occurred and the accident report I'd found out was later amended. It originally blamed him for the accident and blamed her for the accident and they eventually amended it too blaming her for crossing the street at a non-crosswalk.
Adryana Cortez: The police officer told Chris that the man who hit his daughter was a thirty-four year old that didn’t have a driver’s license. His name was Ramiro Tolentino
Chris Odette: The officer told me that when I asked him how
he could have a thirty-four year-old man with no license. He said, I am not allowed to officially say this but we believe he may be here in the US illegally.
It turned out that Ramiro when he hit her had an outstanding warrant for driving without a license and an outstanding warrant for speeding. He had been in the US illegally for 15 years.
So whenever he got his initial tickets four years prior…they knew already the night of the accident that he was here in the U.S. illegally.
Adryana Cortez: Chris couldn’t help but think that if this man had been deported when the city initially found him to be in the country illegally, and committing crimes, that his only daughter, his only connection to his wife that passed away a year earlier, might still be with him today.
Chris Odette: I asked him if he was going to go to jail for it for killing my little girl. And he told me that it's probably not likely because in the city of Rockwall, unless someone commits a violent felony they don't they don't check their immigration status. And he ended up not being charged with a violent felony. They gave him a ticket for driving without a license.
So he was never reported immigration because he didn't commit a violent felony and he was given a ticket for driving without a license. They, they just let him go. They did nothing about it.
Adryana Cortez: Chris says he tried to contact his state representatives to press the issue of deporting Ramiro. The only one that would help was Texas Congressman Michael Burgess.
Chris Cordette: They opened a congressional inquiry to find out at last DHS why they never went after him and just as they explained to Congressman Burgess, Rockwell never reported on immigration.
So he Congressman Burgess gets DHS involved. DHS goes out in 2016 and arrests Ramiro Tolentino Guevara for his citizenship status…if it hadn't been for him killing my daughter DHS wouldn't have even gotten involved but because he was a repeat offender and he'd actually killed a child this time they were requesting he not be given bail. Apparently Dallas immigration judge didn't agree with that and he was bailed out a month after he was arrested on ten thousand dollar cash bond. So while I thought he was in jail he wasn't.
Adryana Cortez: According to Chris, Ramiro ended up losing his immigration battle. The judge ordered him to return to immigration to collect his bail money and be deported. When Romero never showed up, immigration went to arrest him and he was gone.
Chris Odette: Ironically the flight risk actually ran. Who
would've thought? So now he is considered a fugitive from ICE and the only way that he's going to get busted because as I was explained to by an immigration officer they're actively looking for him. But because they're so overwhelmed and understaffed essentially the words that were used was eventually he's going to step on an ant hill and he's gonna get caught. So they're not they're actively looking for him by waiting for him to commit a crime. And now the only way the only way he's going to be stopped is if he commits another crime in a city that isn't sympathetic to illegal
Adryana Cortez: What really bothers Chris is that it appears Romero began driving almost immediately after killing his
Chris Odette: My sister took the accident report that had his address on it and drove over to see the house where he lived and she got a picture of him working on the truck that he killed my daughter with. On the bumper from where he hit my daughter. That matched a bruise on her little leg that I saw right before I had her cremated. So he had been given back the vehicle he killed my daughter with and was already driving it again within weeks of killing my little girl.
Sabine Durden: And I remember one cop walked up to me and told me said, you know I know they telling you was an accident but you need to ask the D.A. to stop lying to you and I said what. He said, yeah. Because the killer of Dominic was an illegal. And I still remember my head thinking I know about illegals. They are across from Home Depot. They tried to pick up work and you know they work under the table and then it hit me that right above where Dominic was killed is a Home Depot. And that's what happened.
The guy was trying to drive into the side street to park because there was an American contractor picking up illegals. We had the van we had the license plate number and the D.A. never looked into that. I went we went to the D.A. and we asked him, well what about this? Well blah blah blah. All this legal lingo that that you don't understand and well we had to charge him with a misdemeanor without gross negligence and trust us. We got your back and we're gonna make sure Dominic we take care Dominic and he was a great force in this community and just continued lying to us and not really giving us the details of that they knew the guy, they knew the killer they had him before when he had a felony of armed robbery and a felony of grand theft in 08, 09 I believe it was and they gave him a deal so he only had one felony on his records and he was deported. He came back. He drove drunk. He got probation. He drove drunk during probation and got probation again. And five weeks later killed Dominic.
Patrick Courrielche: The tragic stories of Dominic Durden and Chrishia Odette are unfortunately not unique. There are countless angel moms and dads throughout America, who’s kids were killed by people who were known to be illegal aliens to local law enforcement, people who shouldn’t have been driving, and that should have been deported long before taking the
lives of our children.
How has this senseless loss of life been allowed to continue?
It’s largely because of sanctuary policies.
Many city, county, and state governments prohibit local law
enforcement from working with federal immigration agents, or ICE, when they detain a suspected or known illegal alien. These same local governments prohibit law enforcement from even inquiring about the immigration status of
those they come in contact with. Because of these sanctuary policies we don’t have good statistics on the illegal immigrant crime rate at the local level.
And the reason why law enforcement doesn’t capture this data is perverse.
Jessica Vaughn: Well the main reason that we do not have good statistics on the public safety impact of illegal immigration is because very few jurisdictions or local, county, state governments track crimes of illegal aliens or non-citizens in general.
Patrick Courrielche: That’s Jessica Vaughn, Director of Policy Studies for the Center of Immigration Studies.
Jessica Vaughn: Most jurisdictions have the ability to track that because of course they track all kinds of other information about people who commit crimes. They track crimes by race and ethnicity. They track crimes by age and other kinds of demographic data but they don't usually track the citizenship or immigration status of people who get arrested or who are convicted of crimes. And sometimes this is deliberate that they just don't want to know.
Patrick Courrielche: And why don’t they want to know? Because they don’t want any data that will go against their narrative that immigrants are less crime prone than American citizens.
Jorge Ramos: Crime rates among immigrants are lower than those born in this country.
Cenk Ugyur: Native born Americans unfortunately commit crime at over twice the rate of undocumented immigrants, so if we’re gonna kick anyone out, it would be us, well not me because I wasn’t born here.
Patrick Courrielche: Some government officials have gotten so radical that they’re even willing to help criminal illegals escape deportation.
CBS Reporter #1: Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf is under fire for warning the public about a possible large-scale immigration raid in the works.
CBS Reporter #2: What are you going to do if ICE shows up to
pick up somebody that has a warrant out for them or that has their documentation pulled and go out into the community. Your police aren’t gonna be there to help keep things safe.
Libby Schaaf: Let me be clear that cities that have sanctuary status are engaging in their legal right to be a sanctuary city…
Reporter #2: So you’re ready to go to jail over this.
Libby Schaaf: Yes.
Patrick Courrielche: Sanctuary policies are not only disturbing because of the crime they help perpetuate, but they’re
also evil because they block collecting the very data that would show that
sanctuary policies lead to more crime in our communities.
Thankfully, though, federal law enforcement does, collect non-citizen crime data. And what does that data show?
According to statistics from a 2017 U.S.
Sentencing Commission, non-citizens account for 22% of federal murder convictions, 18% of federal fraud convictions, 33% of federal money laundering, 29% of federal drug trafficking convictions, and 72% of federal drug possession convictions. The non-citizen population is roughly 7%. That’s a stunning level crime that shows, at least at the federal level, that non-citizen are far more crime prone than Americans for many very serious crimes.
But sanctuary city policies block capturing this data at the local level so that activists and open-border politicians can continue their false talking points that Americans commit more crime than non-citizens.
Jessica Vaughan: Law enforcement agencies should be tracking this immigration status of people who are getting arrested in so that they can be found by ICE and removed back to their home country.
Patrick Courrielche: Again, Jessica Vaughan.
Jessica Vaughan: It's really common sense I think for most people and for most law enforcement agencies.
It's just those politicians and
activists and advocates who want to politicize immigration law enforcement that have sought to create this narrative that immigrants are somehow more law abiding than Americans…
It's a way to try to justify
putting a wall up in between local law enforcement and immigration enforcement agencies at the federal level to try to shield people from deportation. And it's a false narrative that they've created and the result of it actually is a threat to public safety because when local law enforcement officers are not talking to ICE not communicating with ICE not permitted to ask people's immigration status then that means that first of all they're not getting access to all the information they need about offenders but also they are interfering with immigration enforcement and leading to the release of people back to the
community who should be sent back to their home country instead.
Patrick Courrielche: If these sanctuary policies weren’t in place, and we actually had effective immigration enforcement to block reentry once
deported, both Dominic Durden and Chrishia Odette would likely be alive today.
Chris Odette: But there needs to be something done. Because my 13 year old daughter never got to graduate high school she would have graduated this year would have started college I never got to teach my I'd finish teaching my daughter how to drive a car.
Everything that I had in my life that I had built with my late wife the last connection I had of her my daughter is gone.
Patrick Courrielche: Chris launched a website Justice4Chrishia.com
to get the man who killed his daughter deported.
Chris Odette: I mean I've been posting on Twitter trying to
get him caught trying to get people that will see him and turn him in law enforcement might when I'm not working when I have spare time I'm searching trying to find leads to identify where he's at so that I can report him to the police to go get him to go look for him.
It seems like it is an absolute
impossibility to get media to talk to me about my daughter's death.
Patrick Courrielche: The man that killed Sabine’s son was deported.
But then she got word from a friend.
Sabine Durden: He was deported and then Dominic's friends are Sheriff squad police special units…and they kept an
eye open for him. They kept going to the street where the guy's family lives. And I received a message from one of them and they said they are 98 percent sure that he's back in Riverside or in California somewhere.
Patrick Courrielche: Understandably, Sabine was broken over the loss of the love of her life. Then something happened.
Sabine Durden: I wanted to kill myself. I lost my only child. I knew I would never be that incredible grandmother wanted to be. I would never spoil my grandkids. I would never get to see my son again. The last time I kissed him was in a coffin before he was cremated. And I knew how and when and my poor fiancé I had no idea what I was planning and then that day when Donald Trump came down the escalator and talked about you because I saw him on TV I was walking through my living room and I'm like, oh is he putting on a new show or something. And I kept walking and I heard him mention he's running for president and something something something. Illegal Immigration.
Donald Trump: When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us.
Sabine Durden: and I stopped and I broke down.
Donald Trump: It’s coming from more than Mexico. It’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming
probably— probably— from the Middle East. But we don’t know.
Sabine Durden: And I started looking up and I said, if that's your sign I'm not gonna take myself out. I didn't know what was to come from there Patrick.
Patrick Courrielche: Sabine met Donald Trump on the three-year anniversary of the last time that she
saw Dominic alive. The presidential candidate gave her a platform to tell
Dominic’s story. She went on to speak about her son’s death at the Republican National Convention.
Sabine Durden: The killer was from Guatemala and was
previously deported with felonies for armed robberies and grand theft. After returning to America illegally again, he was caught drunk driving. No license. No registration. No insurance. And he got probation. Another DUI, another probation. Five weeks later, while barely under the legal limit of being drunk, he killed my Dom. He was given a misdemeanor and served just
thirty-five days in jail. I have been talking about illegal immigration since 2012, since he got killed, and no one listened until Donald Trump.
Patrick Courrielche: Which brings us back to the question - do illegal immigrants commit less crime
than American citizens?
Even with our leaders trying to hide the data – it is clear that non-citizens vastly outpace American citizens for many serious crimes at the federal level. The narrative that illegal immigrants commit less crime
than U.S. citizens is fake news.
But really, it doesn’t matter. Because if we were simply to enforce our immigration laws, statistics or not, many of our beautiful citizens would be alive today, and their parents would be able to watch them grow and prosper.
Enforcing our immigration laws was the reason why Donald Trump was elected. If he fails on that front, he’s finished. And I think that it’s safe to say, for now, that he understands that fact.
Donald Trump: I can’t tell you when the government’s gonna be open. I can tell you it’s not gonna be open until we have a wall, fence, or whatever they’d like to call it.
Patrick Courrielche: Red Pilled America is an iHeartRadio original podcast. It’s produced by Patrick Courrielche and me Adryana Cortez for Inform Ventures. To learn more about Dominic Durden visit domhugs.org. To follow his mother’s advocacy for victims of illegal alien crime, visit her website AVIAC.us. That’s A-V-I-A-C dot U-S. To help find Chrishia Odette’s killer, visit Justice4Chrishia.com. That’s Justice the number 4, Chrishia spelled C-h-r-i-s-h-i-a dot com. To hear the story behind the story, please consider becoming a Red Pilled America back stage subscriber to listen to exclusive behind the scenes clips. To subscribe, visit RedPilledAmerica.com and click the support button in the top menu. That’s Red Pilled America dot com and click support in the top menu. Thanks for listening.